Session Start: Sat Jan 24 00:00:00 2015 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[11:57]<@BC_Programming> heh still can't decide on a laptop, leaning towards Camerongray's recommendation but knowing they will be rolling out the old separate mouse buttons in their next models gives me pause
[12:11]<+camerongray> yeah, wait for the buttons
[12:11]<+camerongray> There's a reason I'm really tempted to replace my T440s
[12:11]<+camerongray> Huge amount of money but it's that bad!
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> oh ok
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> yeah I don't want buyers remorse :P
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> I was going to make a post in CH to perhaps get some more recommendations
[12:12]<@BC_Programming> with the stipulation of course that it's all theoretical and I'm not even 100% if I'll be getting a laptop
[12:12]<+camerongray> haha, I can see where that would go :P
[12:13]<@BC_Programming> aside from the button reason the Y50 loses out because it only has 43hz refresh rate
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> that and I don't really want to have a "gaming" laptop
[12:14]<+camerongray> Geek-9pm: "Why not go and find an old XP laptop", DaveLembke: "10 years ago I had a Toshiba laptop [10 paragraphs later] and then my dog ate it which is why you should only buy Asus", Lostcoast: "ASUS is the only brand you should buy, if you don't you are an idiot. Also buy an extended warranty and accident insurance"
[12:14]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[12:15]<+camerongray> I'd wait for the new gen ThinkPads, they are starting to come out now
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> why would lostcoast post in the forum...?
[12:15]<+camerongray> The new X1 carbon is out for example
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> ooooh
[12:15]<+camerongray> He does it sometimes, then gets shot down
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> yeah I remember he pops in to talk about registry cleaners
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> I like when I explained how the registry works and why a "registry cleaner" doesn't serve any good purpose methodically and he said something like "believe what you want"
[12:16]<+camerongray> yep!
[12:16]<+camerongray> It's happening! http://imgur.com/2NqpozV
[12:16] * +camerongray starts drooling
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> oh dayum... ~$2,400
[12:18]<+camerongray> What is
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> on Tigerdirect the Carbon X1
[12:19]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> well one of them
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> the other is 4K
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9108209&CatId=927
[12:20]<@BC_Programming> ACtually I'm seeing some cheaper
[12:20]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, that's a nice one
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7374686&csid=_61
[12:21]<+camerongray> The x1 Carbon is a proper ultrabook though so you pay extra for that, it's also not really upgradable at all
[12:21]<@BC_Programming> yeah I'm noticing that in the "max memory" always being the same as they come with
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> I'm almost tempted to ask my Manager about the discount thing she said I could use on TigerDirect and NCIX
[12:22]<@BC_Programming> Do you know if they have any non-ultrabook models with the fixed buttons
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> Also why is it that the more money I have the more careful I am with it
[12:25]<+camerongray> They have them but not released yet
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> darn
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> wow 8 hours battery life?
[12:27]<+camerongray> Easily, my T440s gets 11 :P
[12:27]<+camerongray> They have some now with 24hours
[12:27]<Craig> I like my T450
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> my Satellite get's 2 hours lol
[12:27]<+camerongray> You hvae a T450?
[12:27]<+camerongray> They are out?
[12:27]<+camerongray> What?
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> T440
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> oh
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> no that was you that said that nevermind
[12:27]<Craig> Fingers in wrong places makes for confusing letters, :P
[12:27]<+camerongray> Oh, you have a T440?
[12:28]<Craig> I have a Lenovo T450
[12:28]<+camerongray> It's out?
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> my old laptop doesn't even have a battery but when it did it got a whole 4 minutes of battery life
[12:28]<Craig> Uhhhh one moment.
[12:28] * +camerongray wants one but it doesn't seem to be released yet
[12:28] * +camerongray currently has the T440s
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> Maybe it's only in Canada
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> a Canada Exclusive
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> in your face
[12:29]<Craig> Sorry T530
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> That is a bigger number so it must be better
[12:29]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, that makes sense now, they are nice machines
[12:30]<Craig> I upgraded to 8GB ram, 250SSD and 1080p Screen
[12:30]<Craig> :P
[12:30]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, we also totally won at uni yesterday
[12:30]<Craig> physically, since I got the laptop for free. ::P
[12:30]<+camerongray> Sitting in a lecture and get a message from someone who worked for Cisco saying that the last of their engineers were being made redundant today and that they were getting rid of their old training stack.
[12:31]<+camerongray> After the lecture: http://imgur.com/a/0VfzZ
[12:31]<+camerongray> All for free!
[12:31]<Craig> Hahahha Nice,
[12:31]<Craig> very awesome
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> The 530 has clickable buttons
[12:31]<Craig> My router is better, but I am jelous.
[12:31]<Craig> yes so?
[12:31]<+camerongray> what router do you have? :P
[12:31]<Craig> Home built PFsense,
[12:31]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:31]<Craig> dual core 3.2Ghz with 8gm ram,
[12:32]<+camerongray> The actual routers we use in Tardis are a pair of Dell 1850s running VyOS
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> Craig: I thought they switched to this weird setup where you pushed on a corner of the touchpad
[12:32]<Craig> Not always,
[12:32]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: The T530 is older, before they did that
[12:32]<Craig> depends on the model
[12:32]<Craig> yeah
[12:32]<@BC_Programming> doesn't look much older
[12:33]<Craig> They reuse bodies a lot
[12:33]<+camerongray> It's 2012-2013
[12:33]<+camerongray> What we plan on doing with this stuff (since what we use now is a bit better) is to get this: http://www.theflightcasecompany.com/12u-rack-case-amplifier-19-rack-flight-case-with-wheels and have a Cisco traning stack in the uni that we can set up for students to use
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> they should re-use the 755 series case from 1995
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> for the premium retro feel
[12:34]<Craig> :P
[12:34]<+camerongray> So what we have there is 4 24port Cisco 3570 switches, 3 2600series routers and a serial console server
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> "Hold on sir, let me switch out my CD-ROM drive for my Floppy Disk"
[12:34]<Craig> I would love to get one of the 24 ports, but I think their 10/100
[12:35]<+camerongray> They are yeah
[12:35]<Craig> Sadface
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> haha wow there are 800 dollar sound cards
[12:35]<Craig> I need gigabit for what I do. :p
[12:35]<+camerongray> We have a pair of very nice 48port Gigabit HP Procurves that we use in production
[12:35]<Craig> Nice
[12:36]<Craig> I barely need 10 ports locally. :p
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[15:10]<Quantos> You can spend more than that if you want to BC_Programming
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> I said a lot of prices, which ones do you mean
[15:12]<Quantos> Oh, the $800 sound card
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> ahh gotcha
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> yeah I found a 16K one in a search
[15:12]<Quantos> I didn't scroll up, just read what's on the screen
[15:13]<Quantos> Yeah, it gets pretty stupid, especially where pro quality comes in
[15:13]<@BC_Programming> I didn't even bother with a sound card this time around, just using the on-board now
[15:13]<@BC_Programming> I could have used my X-Fi but eh why bother
[15:14]<Quantos> I can get an external USB soundcard that I can directly plug 5 XLR into, stock no changes, it's ridiculous, you almost don't need a mixer anymore
[15:14]<@BC_Programming> I thought you were telling me what I could spend on a laptop lol
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> I did consider a $200 X-fi for this one at some point, but I mean even I have a limit on useless, overpriced stuff
[15:15]<Quantos> LOL
[15:15]<Quantos> I added about $600 of useless stuff to my build
[15:15]<Quantos> But no sound card
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> ooh like?
[15:16]<Quantos> I'll show you :)
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> are they lights
[15:16]<Quantos> http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/Steimey/saved/DMNWGX
[15:16]<Quantos> Only on the fans
[15:16]<Quantos> I think any more would be tacky
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> hah
[15:17]<Quantos> And I don't need anywhere near that many fans or the controller
[15:17]<Quantos> I don't really need the GPU, I edit photos, I could get by on the onboard
[15:17]<Quantos> I don't need the full tower chasis, but it's sweet
[15:18]<Quantos> I don't need 16GB, but why not
[15:18]<@BC_Programming> That is really what it comes down to sometimes. "I don't need this but I want it and I can buy it so shove you can put your disapproval in your bottom"
[15:18]<@BC_Programming> that last bit was yoda I guess
[15:19]<Quantos> LOL
[15:19]<Quantos> I assume that words aren't always in order in programming?
[15:19]<@BC_Programming> not order words in always no
[15:19]<Quantos> LOL
[15:19]<Quantos> You slay me
[15:20]<@BC_Programming> no witnesses I hope
[15:20]<Quantos> Nah, not yet, unless Cam's lurking us
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> gah so tempted to pull the trigger on the Carbon
[15:21]<Quantos> Huh?
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> Carbon X1 Thinkpad
[15:21]<Quantos> Oh wow
[15:22]<Quantos> It'll make a good picture frame
[15:22]<@BC_Programming> I mean pull the trigger as in buy, not shoot it
[15:22]<Quantos> Yeah, I gathered that :D
[15:22]<Quantos> That's a damn fine lappy
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> heh "limit 7 per customer" DANG I wanted a dozen
[15:23]<Quantos> Heck, I think about it, I could probably suffice on a i3
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> I could get by with my old computer and still do my job
[15:23]<Quantos> But it's the only one I'll be buying for a few years, so it's gonna be a nice one
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> but uh... investing in my work, yeah
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> that's what I was doing
[15:24]<Quantos> LOL
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> I figure it must be pretty good as I've forgotten about VMs I was running in the background
[15:24]<Quantos> I remember when doing photo editing meant you needed the biggest and fastest
[15:25]<Quantos> Yeah, too true eh
[15:25]<@BC_Programming> Though I am reminded when one of them reboots and I hear the windows startup noise for no reason
[15:25]<@BC_Programming> "what was that?" or if somebody else is in the room "oh, pardon me"
[15:25]<Quantos> Yeah, that must startle you a bit
[15:25]<@BC_Programming> well I don't have my sound really loud though
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> I did have a youtube video somehow auto-start and was trying to find it in my browser "WHAT? WHERE IS IT?"
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> and it was in a VM
[15:26]<Quantos> I forgot about that one day and my sound was cranked, I must've been listening to a soft recording of something
[15:26]<Quantos> Hehehe
[15:26]<Quantos> And a recording started playing in my fb
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> I'm a tad annoyed that my 150 dollars headphones snapped in half grrr but that was a long time ago now
[15:27]<Quantos> Scared the crap out of me
[15:27]<Quantos> What!?
[15:27]<Quantos> You'd figure that there'd be some quality at that price point eh?
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> yeah wtf
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> well see it was my fault, I dropped them on my lap
[15:28]<Quantos> Yeah, from the great height of what - about 2' maximum?
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> from a height of almost a foot
[15:28]<Quantos> You need to stop abusing your stuff BC_Programming
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> They still work, I taped them together but I mean at 150 I'd expect them to last longer than a month
[15:29]<Quantos> What about warranty replacement?
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> particularly considering my older headphones, which have issues with the sound, are still in perfect shape physically
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> eh too lazy for that
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> you know, contacting somebody, shipping it to them
[15:29]<Quantos> Like the replacements will be any better
[15:29]<@BC_Programming> eh better I just silently not give them my business and provide them no feedback at all
[15:30]<@BC_Programming> at least my new speakers work well
[15:30]<Quantos> That's the answer right there BC
[15:30]<@BC_Programming> I broke my old speakers when I was trying to reduce the annoying interference they picked up
[15:30]<Quantos> Duct tape the speakers to your head, instant headphones, and no hassle
[15:31]<Quantos> Of course good luck in taking them off
[15:31]<@BC_Programming> the headphones still work, I kinda superglued the broken bits together and then wrapped it in electrical tape
[15:31]<Quantos> But once all the hair is gone you'll be able to use less duct tape
[15:33]<Quantos> Hey, I finally got unlazy enough to install quassel
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking about how Princess Toadstool was attractive the other day, then I was like, Dude, what is wrong with you? You are imagining hooking up with Princess Peach? What a ridiculous concept
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> She'll never leave Mario and we know it
[15:35]<Quantos> Plus he'd whoop your ass
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> He'd jump on it which would confuse everybody involved
[15:35]<Quantos> LOL
[15:35]<Quantos> Especially you
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> Truly though I find her to be an annoying character
[15:36]<Quantos> I've never really gotten into Mario
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> I mean really when she get's "kidnapped" she's just visiting her boyfriend
[15:37]<Quantos> Oh, is that the story line?
[15:37]<Quantos> I've never played it
[15:37]<Quantos> I'm not into scrolling games
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> depends what game
[15:38]<Quantos> Geez, I just thought of something, I could've done without the fans and gone with a new monitor
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> haha yeah
[15:39]<Quantos> Nah, my two 24" are enough
[15:40]<Quantos> Or I could do without all the extras and go with a 970 :D
[15:40]<Quantos> Actually I hear the nVidia 970GTX has memory issues
[15:41]<Quantos> I don't know if they mean the brand or the chipset though
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scDDfP3HYCw
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> I found a video where I play Super Mario World a bit
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> not sure what my motivation was there, though to be fair I did also create a full Megaman 6 playthrough
[15:42]<Quantos> LOL
[15:43]<Quantos> Yeah, pretty intense
[15:46]<Quantos> Here's the article http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/nvidias-gtx970-has-a-rather-serious-memory-allocation-bug/
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[18:14]<@BC_Programming> OK I think I've decided for the moment not to get a new laptop
[18:14]<+camerongray> oh?
[18:15]<+camerongray> Because you want a new ThinkPad when they come out right? :P
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> because I was thinking- OK, so what will I do when this shows up? I'll use it for a few minutes and get it setup, but then I'll use it about as much as I use the one I have now
[18:15]<+camerongray> haha yeah
[18:15]<+camerongray> I do use my laptop a lot, but there's no point getting a good one if you don't
[18:15]<+camerongray> I need mine for uni work
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> And I cannot justify spending that much if I'm not going to use it beyond work meetings, and I don't think we've had one for almost a year
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> outside webex anyway
[18:16]<Quantos> Have you been there almost a year already BC?
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> Over
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> I started in August 2013
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> So I've rationalized not getting a laptop well enough then whew
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> I suppose I could do the unorthodox and just not spend anything like some sort of not-spendy person
[18:18]<+camerongray> What about one of those super cheap Windows 8.1 with bing ones?
[18:19]<+camerongray> They aren't powerful but are great if you just need a simple machine for web browsing and meetings
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> I don't know what about Herpes
[18:19]<+camerongray> Totally fanless and REALLY good battery life
[18:19]<+camerongray> haha
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> but I can use the one I have for that for the most part
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> it's just Visual Studio it seems to choke on
[18:19]<Quantos> Has it really been that long, it doesn't seem like that long ago you were hired
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> and firefox if I leave it up for a few days
[18:20]<+camerongray> Ahh, I don't leave my machines running for days :P
[18:20]<+camerongray> Never seen the need
[18:20]<Quantos> Hmm, I never shut mine down
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> I have a 7-day uptime right now
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> I managed to break a year with my old build
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> brought a tear to my eye
[18:21]<Quantos> Yeah, Windows makes me cry too
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> Yeah cutting onions makes me cry
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> I've found the trick is to not get emotionally attached
[18:21]<Quantos> LOL, but I've named my old PC
[18:21]<Quantos> I will miss it
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> I have a naming scheme myself
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> my Pentium 4 was "MEGATRON"
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> my first build, which came after it, was "TERATRON"
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> And this PC's name is "PETATRON"
[18:22]<Quantos> I was telling Cam, when the pentium first came out the multipliers were jumpers
[18:23]<Quantos> I had my p90 running as a p120
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> you crazy bastard
[18:23]<Quantos> I named it 'overkill'
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> who would need a machine that fast
[18:23]<Quantos> LOL
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> oh no I just realized I can only do two more builds
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> well three actually
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> exatron, zettatron, and yottatron
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> but then what?
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> Then I'm out of names
[18:24]<Quantos> Recompile your naming scheme to allow for rollover
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> there are no more metric prefixes left
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> I'm not about to call it Yoctotron
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> that's just silly
[18:26]<Quantos> Yuctotron
[18:26]<+camerongray> Mine are all named after Scottish Islands :P
[18:26]<@BC_Programming> rollover would be yoctotron, I cannot break the code
[18:27]<@BC_Programming> though, the PC before MEGATRON was called "FASTLORD"
[18:28]<+camerongray> Then we have Tardis where they are all named after Dr Who references
[18:28]<+camerongray> (or other similar shows)
[18:29]<+camerongray> http://wiki.tardis.ed.ac.uk/index.php/Category:Systems
[18:42]<Quantos> Hmm, some nice gear there
[19:26]<+camerongray> Yeah, we are getting much more modern
[19:27]<Quantos> Must be nice after working with all the old crap eh?
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> my Step-dad is not very smart with computers
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> seems the motherboard failed in the computer I hd in the living room
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> but no
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> it was "chinese hackers"
[19:37]<@BC_Programming> and "ISIS"
[19:37]<Quantos> They snuck in during the night?
[19:38]<Quantos> Beheaded the computer?
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> No he has this idea that people can do anything they want to a computer with the "IPD address"
[19:38]<Quantos> Ah, one of those
[19:39]<@BC_Programming> But pretty sure it's a motherboard failure, I only got one beep code out of it when I powered it on with only the motherboard receiving power, which it only did one time and subsequent attempts did nothing at all
[19:40]<@BC_Programming> I even took the power supply out of my old build and hooked it up to eliminate the PSU
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> And the tablet I got my mum apparently has a weird driver issue where the touch and pen randomly stop working... of course he thinks that is hackers too
[19:41]<@BC_Programming> I mean come on. sometimes products are just garbage